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Anti Wilders campaign turns anti-Jewish …writes Julie Nathan
February 14, 2013 by Julie Nathan
The impending visit to Australia by Geert Wilders, the Dutch MP, has created a storm of controversy.
Wilders, who heads the Dutch Party for Freedom, has been outspoken on the role of Islam and of Islamic extremism in Europe. He asserts that there is no difference between Islam as a religion and extreme Islamist political ideologies. He has called for a ban on further Muslim immigration to the Netherlands, claiming that Muslims do not integrate into Dutch society and contribute to the creeping Islamisation of Holland.
Holland has seen the murders by Islamist extremists of film maker, Theo van Gogh, and politician and gay rights activist, Pim Fortuyn, for their critical views of Islam.
Wilders is due to talk this month in Melbourne, Perth, and Sydney. The sponsors of his tour, the Q Society, have reportedly found it difficult to secure venues because venue owners are fearful of violent protests or worse.
Due to continual threats against Wilders, who lives under 24 hour security in Holland, Dutch police officers will accompany him during his stay in Australia.
Anti-Wilders campaigners claim Wilders is a bigot against Islam and a racist. Ironically, some of them have descended into religious bigotry and racism of their own, directed against the Jewish community.
Wilders is not Jewish, and his party supports a ban on ritual animal slaughter, including kosher slaughter, and to varying degrees, halal slaughter. Despite this, it is Wilders’ support for the state of Israel against Islamist extremism and terrorism that has been the pretext for polemical attacks on Jews.
The campaign against Wilders is being organized through several Facebook pages. Three of these are sub-named: “No to Islamophobia, No to Racist Hate”. Yet the call against racist hate has itself attracted an outpouring of racist hate from those opposing Geert Wilders.
One poster on the Sydney Facebook page equates Jewish national self-determination with the establishment by the Nazis of a vast system which systematically murdered six million Jews and hundreds of thousands of other unarmed civilians. The EU working definition of antisemitism includes “Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor”.
In another thread on the Sydney page, the poster wrote: “Multiple wives seems more reasonable then tulmadic (sic) approval of multiple little boys.”
This claim that the Talmud permits sex with children is a complete fabrication, and a favourite slander by those hostile to Jews. Further, the Talmud has absolutely no connection to Wilders or his party, so any comment on the Talmud is purely gratuitous and unjustified denigration of Judaism.
A few days later on the same page, the same poster wrote: “Are you pro Zionist and do you believe in this ideology that sees any Zionist or Jew as superior / chosen people that are above the law while the rest of us are goyim less humans.”
Neither Judaism nor Zionism promotes any theory of ethnic superiority of Jews over gentiles. Again, this is pure fabrication.
Of the several Facebook pages campaigning against Wilders, it is mainly the Sydney page that contains the anti-Jewish postings. This Sydney page was established by James Supple and Amy Thomas
Both Supple and Thomas work for Solidarity Magazine, which describes itself as a “socialist group,” one of whose aims is to work “against racism.”
One would assume that socialists opposing racism would counter and condemn the anti-Jewish racism being posted on the Facebook page they established. One would expect that a Facebook page with the sub-name “No to Racist Hate” would bar any kind of racist content.
In response to an article on Wilders in WA Today, Thomas posted on her personal Facebook page “The horrendous racist quotes from white supremacists in this article give reason why we should protest, not why we shouldn’t. We need a physical showing of opposition to show that the ideas of Wilders are not welcome here.” She then linked to the anti-Wilders Sydney Facebook page.
Thomas quite rightly sees the quotes in the WA Today article as racist, yet when it comes to anti-Jewish racism on her own anti-Wilders Facebook page, she appears blind. It appears that to Thomas, bigotry by “white supremacists” against Muslims is unacceptable, as indeed it is, but racism by others against Jews is acceptable.
Supple posted an apology for offensive and racist material, and has, as he claims, deleted “explicitly offensive posts and comments” but places the blame for the racism on those “people from the far right trolling.” In addition to anti-Muslim comments, Supple deleted one whole thread with all its anti-Jewish comments but did not prevent the main culprit from continuing to post other anti-Jewish material.
On another Facebook page, the administrator deleted “racist drivel” as he recognized that “this event page is not the place for Islamophic rants to be broadcast!” Some of the anti-Muslim comments were indeed vile, and deserved deleting. In fact, all of the anti-Wilders Facebook pages contain varying degrees of anti-Muslim comment. The campaign against Wilders has attracted those who are anti-Islam and anti-Muslim, as well as Jew-haters.
The reaction to Wilders’ visit has been a lightning rod for all kinds of racists. It is especially revealing that anything that has even the vaguest possible connection to Jews, such as Wilders’ support for Israel, is used as an opportunity by Jew-haters to crawl out of the woodwork and spew their venom.
In a democracy such as Australia’s, we all have a right to demonstrate for or against any person’s or organisation’s views or policies. That right does not extend to the dissemination of racial hatred against any group.
If the organizers of the anti-Wilders campaign are genuinely against racism, and not just jumping on a populist bandwagon, they need to open their eyes and learn some hard lessons. Lesson number one is that allowing anti-Jewish comments to remain on their Facebook pages sends the utterly hypocritical message that criticism of Islam and Muslims is to be opposed, but racism against Jews is acceptable.
Regardless of the identity of the perpetrator, or the identity of the victim, racism is racism and those who wish to be taken seriously as anti-racist campaigners must pro-actively combat all species of racism in all their insidious guises.
Julie Nathan is the research officer for the Executive Council of Australian Jewry (ECAJ), the officially elected representative organisation of the Australian Jewish Community.
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It’s not bigotry to see clearly what is happening around you and speak of those facts. It’s not bigotry to warn of the further consequences that could well take place, indeed most probably will, if nothing is done to stem what is happening on the ground with Islamic activities. It’s not bigotry to come up with some ideas with which to counter that. It’s not bigotry to attempt to protect your own culture and beliefs if you do so constructively and without malicious intent. It takes a great deal of courage and fortitude to stand, as an individual, against the political correctness that plagues the world in this century, and the alarmingly blind and vindictive views held by so many supporting the present infiltration of Islam into so many countries throughout the world – paving the way for loss of what is actually dear to them. It takes guts, and a special resilience, to wake up each morning to the real possibility of losing your life due to your willingness to speak out.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/07/ahmadiyya-community-uk-action-hate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fygpTTCxIcQ
I can sure you Ben the Muslim community don’t spend tens of millions of dollars in security like we Jews do . None of these observations Ben are racist they are just the way it is no matter how so many Jews here in Australia try to stick their heads in the sand and wish it wasn’t so.
Ben you talk about racist behavior whilst our FM was giving Geert Wilders the run around so as to please labours constituency in Lakemba and western suburbs of Sydney he was ‘ fast tracking the visa for the Kuwaiti leader of the Muslim Brotherhood Tareq Al Suwaidan who after receiving his fast track Visa sent a message of thanks to our ‘genius’ FM.
Ben ,You know who this guy .. Tareq AL Suwaidan is , he is famous for his tolerance and love of Jews he said on that ever so tolerant Muslim organizations TV Chanel Hamas Al- Quds TV on 26 March 2012
attacking the Jewish community and leadership over the Zygier tradgedy .
Of course JCCV will argue in a democracy we should allow all voices even those minorry radical voices that are totally opposite to the majority mainstream In a perfect even handed world that may be ok In austrAlia with Abc/sbs/ Fairfax here ruling the media waves we sure ain’t living in a perfect world
I wonder how many pro Zionist radicals and anti Palestinian activists are affiliated with the jccv equivilent the I C V Islamic council Victoria
I wonder how many of these appear regularly on the Arabist ABC to vilify the Arab / muslim community and their leadership as well as to demoize the Palestinians
I gather our community funds to jccv are partly indirectky supporting the AJDS thanks JCCV
I know where my money is not going !
Same with this on FB “Jews Against Israeli Apartheid – Melbourne”
This has the names of the usual suspects on it. You don’t even have to look.
Method : extrapolating others’ statements, thus building a “case” which has an a priori “conclusion” of self-righteousness. The so called “clown technique ” whereby one dresses up in “funny” gear expecting laughter at the emission of any sound – burping, farting as favourites, not unlike our Larry !!!
At least they can be satisfied that their own people – so to speak – develop the kind of vomiting disposition Shirlee so rightly is expressing here to which I partake without any pleasure.
And sic transit the indignity of some who wallow in the disdain they create within their own family…………
The Islamic community supported by the left have a conga line of radical anti Zionist anti Jewish guest speakers invited here none of them require security .
demonstrate outside the head office of JNF handing out anti- Israel anti- JNF propaganda and the very same members have the Chutzpah to condemn Geert Wilders who has been to israel more times probably than all the ratbag 20 members of AJDS all together Wilders comes here as a passionate Israel and Zionist supporter and continually uses the term Judao/ Christian society . In fact his own life has been threatened not only because of the peace loving Muslim threats to silence him but because he is labelled a Zionist in Holland .
Any Jewish community members should hold their heads in shame if they have more respect for their own kind that are totally obsessed with demonizing Israel and the local Jewish community leadership like the ratbag members of AJDS over some one like Wilders who has the balls to stand up for Jews in Israel.
Islam has already begun to impose its violent ideology on and change the face of Australia – in this case, self imposed limits on freedom of speech. Australians have been taught to capitulate to muslim threats of violence. That is all that Wilders is warning us about.
And what did the ADL have to say in the US?
Where it fails is in neglecting to point out that while almost all of the comments quoted are malicious fabrications in the classical antisemitic mode, many comments about mohammedans are factually based. As Wilders points out, while only a segment of mohammedans are violent supremicists, those that are, are simply following passages of the Koran. Wilders correctly identifies Islam as an aggressive, totalitarian creed. The fact that Wilders needs protection 24/7 proves his assertion; elements within Islam use violence to eliminate opposition – not always non-mohammedans – and as a means of protesting perceived (or fabricated) slights to their faith. It needs to be pointed out that there are always good people in evil systems, like naziism, communism or islamofascism. Thus naziism has no redeeming feature, despite the humanitarianism and courage of the nazi, Oscar Schindler. And except for some Jewish concepts in the Koran, neither has Islam.